*This post is entirely OOC, I am posting here because I think it fits anyway, however please move it to another forum if the staff deems it appropriate - my applogies for the spotty formatting*
Let me start by saying in the nearly 12 months I have been playing on Dasaria I've had a great time. I enjoyed the efforts of the staff and the company of the wonderful players we had. It is my love for this server that drives me to write this as I do not feel I can leave in good conscience without having tried to make a difference.
Notice the past tense. Lately it hasn't been very much fun to play on Dasaria. As most know I play only one character, Kisanth. This is where part of the problem lies. Kisanth's crime is being Lawful Good, a Paladin and staying IC.
Let me clarify Paladin for the server because it seems many people simply have no idea what one is. A paladin is the supreme force of mortal good in the fantasy world. The epic hero if you will. Now one not be a paladin to be a hero of course but you get my point. Paladins differ in personality and slightly in approach but they always strive for good at all costs. Above to be a Paladin one must follow an ethos common to all paladins.
When I look around Daris I don't see any consistency among the paladins at all. I see corrupt paladins, I see people playing paladins for the special abilities with no thought to roleplay being given. The worst in my opinion are the ones that preach tolerance. Paladins are religious warriors who answer only to their god and their own conscience in many respects. They sure as hell don't support laws which which protect evil people who do
heinious crimes against their fellow countrymen. They also do not "join forces" with evil for a "common good". To do so violates the ethos of a
paladin. Paladins will protect the innocent but will not abide their safety by bowing to evil or joining forces with it. Paladins are pure beings and they
believe the innocent are also pure. By allying with evil it taints the paladin and the innocents alike. Paladins do not preach tolerance and peace, they
preach the fight against evil or they don't preach at all letting actions speak for themselves. Druid preach balance and tolerance, and Cirran
and others do a wonderful job. Paladins are extremists not neutral soothsayers and I wish people would wake up to that small fact. Some
even accuse me of not playing correctly and to those I am more than willing to prove you wrong. Most likely people are ignorant as to what a
paladin really is. If I had my way paladins would be a prestige class that was earned. Having expressed that I would like to address the problem of playing a good character in Dasaria.
The town is flooded with followers of a god of undeath and evil, more Drow than the underdark could hold and various other evils. We do have
a few good Drow roleplayers but seriously how many drow are there on the surface in Dasaria? I mean it seems at times they outnumber the
surface population of dwarves and elves. I think Drow should be prestige race if that is even possible. I am getting sick of a new drow/half-drow who is calling me a racist because Kisanth -whose entire family was wiped out by drow- doesn't meet them with open arms at the town gate. It's called roleplaying a predominantly evil race people! Anyone who doesn't know 99.9% of drow are the worst kind of evil in the land are clueless! It's the same with the followers of Nergal although I admit this seems much better than it used to be. I see several evil characters being more than evil, and this is great. Without great villians the good heroes can never shine. My question to the staff is this: Is Dasaria a land of evil? Daris a bastion of forces worse than Varana? Last time I checked the Varanites were supposed to be the primary evil. As it is now with our character driven town Kis has to contend with far worse evil than Varana ever brought to the table. Nergal's minions practice ritual sacrifice, collect the bodies of his fallen friends and corrupt the innocent in town. Yet the city guard seeks as always to prevent any open conflict in town so as not to scare new people.
Well this frankly doesn't fit the bill if you ask me. You cannot have total freedom in story and then place a rediculus restriction like this. Is my
paladin supposed to sit idly and totally break character because a LN Raeflyn comes along and tells him to stop fighting (IC of course)? Meanwhile a Lich corrupts a small child while yonder drow slit the throats of the townspeople whenever they are crossed. It's infuriating, I am trying to play a hero and I am being nerfed by server rules. And to those who
preach law for paladins above all I ask you to consider paladins are not lawyers. They uphold law and GOOD. Not one or the other. GOOD always
comes first. Good is not in error whereas the law can be very easily. Paladins who follow any and all laws blindly are not only breaking
character they are LN fighters! We have faith! We are guided by an internal compass for heavens sake!
The gross injustice in Daris would make any paladin except the most committed leave for IC reasons. Mainly to go gather a force to put an end
to evil Dasaria which begins to rival Varana in housing evil scum. I don't buy the modern morality people bring to the server. This is a fantasy
world of good and evil, not me sitting here arguing with you about how racist and extremist a paladin is. They don't exist in real life for a reason,
this is a fantasy world, try to put yourself in your character's shoes and stop bringing in outside world knowledge to the game. At least with
Commander Raeflyn he is playing a role, he is playing a role of town protector, it is his chief goal next to fighting varanites. How many others in Dasaria have a role and play it consistently with their class? Kis and the Commander may not agree on everything but they are both consistent in their efforts.
How about making Daris a good town based on law order and ideals of good? This would make sense for new people as it would be friendly and
stable. Yes we are at war and attacks are expected. However, let the factions fight over another place perhaps closer to the front lines. I don't
have the perfect answer but there are too many contradictions in logic on the server now.
One day Varana is trying to kill us all, the next they ask our help? We have factions battling for control of a war torn land which is fine, but again
there is little to no penalty for playing evil on this server. And there is little to no penalty for badly playing a paladin either. In case nobody has
noticed I am a strong supporter of making Dasaria an RP only world. I've little use for powergamers or those who make up the most rediculus story
lines I've ever seen.
We've already lost so many good players I would hate to have to join them but my frustration with some of these issues has me up in arms not unlike poor Kis.
I welcome any comments or suggestions, I am sure others will have something to add.
An Open Letter to Dasaria (OOC)
Moderator: Lords of The Realm
An Open Letter to Dasaria (OOC)
Kisanth Felmoon
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.” (Edmund Burke)
-When peace fails, the Holy Avenger becomes the embodiment of the law.
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.” (Edmund Burke)
-When peace fails, the Holy Avenger becomes the embodiment of the law.
If I had known how hard it would be to play a Paladin here, well...
...I guess I would have never entered Dasaria's epic struggle of Good vs. Neutral.
But! I actually think that the stories lately have been the most exciting I have ever seen!
Sorry you are frustrated, Kis. I hope you don't consider leaving.
...I guess I would have never entered Dasaria's epic struggle of Good vs. Neutral.
But! I actually think that the stories lately have been the most exciting I have ever seen!
Sorry you are frustrated, Kis. I hope you don't consider leaving.
The Late Holly of CordaKyodai-KenHorrid"Spook" Willoweep
Amen to everything you said kisanth.
Why should be playing a good character so hard? It sucks to pay Legnar properly and then have about 4/5 of the server hate him due to his hatred of evil. It just isn't right.
Good vs Neutral it's bloody stupid.
But hey on another note, please don't leave Kisanth you're a fantastic player and we don't want to lose you.
Why should be playing a good character so hard? It sucks to pay Legnar properly and then have about 4/5 of the server hate him due to his hatred of evil. It just isn't right.
Good vs Neutral it's bloody stupid.
But hey on another note, please don't leave Kisanth you're a fantastic player and we don't want to lose you.
Rugnar Maydur
Adept of the Whirling Serpent
"Bluddy 'ell!"
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"Bluddy 'ell!"
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justin godspeed
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Well said kis
I canot realy talk playing a good varanite but i am fed up of the amount of drow ducks a swing from tin they seem to just be poping out of the ground every where
just to get my facts but i didnt know in D&D rules that there is such a thing as a good drow now maybe a half drow but come on a drow pally that dose not seem right
And as jimmy said dont leave kis
I canot realy talk playing a good varanite but i am fed up of the amount of drow ducks a swing from tin they seem to just be poping out of the ground every where
just to get my facts but i didnt know in D&D rules that there is such a thing as a good drow now maybe a half drow but come on a drow pally that dose not seem right
And as jimmy said dont leave kis
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Just to add to the issue - and mind, I'm trying to illustrate certain points, not start a blaming war. If there is an example below that seems to verge on what you've gone through with one of my characters, it's most likely because I can't come up with anything better to do make the point.
My *main* problem is people not following with the IC actions of their characters.
Think about the setting - this is a world where there's danger anywhere, in a moment you could be a corpse lying on the ground, everybody walks around armed (not because they think it's cool but because those that do not carry weapons - or primed hands, in wizards' case - end up not walking for long.
If your character behaves in a agressive or offensive manner toward another, that character has every right to act on it accordingly.
Major issue are people who play thief characters. In reality, they would have *serious* issue with any citizen because thievery was a *major* crime at that time - being put in stocks was not only a punishment, it was also a warning to other people whom to be wary of. Not to mention the usual more strict rulings, such as branding, mutilating, or even death.
Another thing are people who play chaotic personalities - once that's known, people will look and behave differently than if they did not know about the past occurences. If somebody found you lying, and other people know about it, you may have the best intentions in mind but *very few* characters will even bother listening to them.
I'm *highly* surprised by the apparent assumption that every time one logs on their past actions are forgotten and no character should react to what has already happened.
In short, take responsibility for your character's actions. If your character attacks somebody, realize that their character will most likely hold a grudge against your. If your character steals from somebody, realize they will try to prevent that again, even if by force. If your character sows disorder, realize people will act accordingly!
Just think of it as real life, with an edge.
And yes, I agree wholeheartedly with Kisanth. Paladins are concerned primarly with divine laws. They are *supposed* to battle evil no matter the odds. That's being in character as far as that class is concerned.
And note, Salia in fact fought against a Knight of the Fist when he came to town and started attacking evil characters. Just because a paladin's goal in life is precisely that, it does not mean others should not react to such a situation according to what the *character* would do.
Please take it as an observation, not an attempt to undermine anybody's roleplaying abilities. Simply give it some thought, and I would not be surprised if, in fact, some of the above points were incorrect - everybody makes mistakes.
The problem lies in not acknowledging them.
Enough with the sermons. I don't even have a cleric character
My *main* problem is people not following with the IC actions of their characters.
Think about the setting - this is a world where there's danger anywhere, in a moment you could be a corpse lying on the ground, everybody walks around armed (not because they think it's cool but because those that do not carry weapons - or primed hands, in wizards' case - end up not walking for long.
If your character behaves in a agressive or offensive manner toward another, that character has every right to act on it accordingly.
Major issue are people who play thief characters. In reality, they would have *serious* issue with any citizen because thievery was a *major* crime at that time - being put in stocks was not only a punishment, it was also a warning to other people whom to be wary of. Not to mention the usual more strict rulings, such as branding, mutilating, or even death.
Another thing are people who play chaotic personalities - once that's known, people will look and behave differently than if they did not know about the past occurences. If somebody found you lying, and other people know about it, you may have the best intentions in mind but *very few* characters will even bother listening to them.
I'm *highly* surprised by the apparent assumption that every time one logs on their past actions are forgotten and no character should react to what has already happened.
In short, take responsibility for your character's actions. If your character attacks somebody, realize that their character will most likely hold a grudge against your. If your character steals from somebody, realize they will try to prevent that again, even if by force. If your character sows disorder, realize people will act accordingly!
Just think of it as real life, with an edge.
And yes, I agree wholeheartedly with Kisanth. Paladins are concerned primarly with divine laws. They are *supposed* to battle evil no matter the odds. That's being in character as far as that class is concerned.
And note, Salia in fact fought against a Knight of the Fist when he came to town and started attacking evil characters. Just because a paladin's goal in life is precisely that, it does not mean others should not react to such a situation according to what the *character* would do.
Please take it as an observation, not an attempt to undermine anybody's roleplaying abilities. Simply give it some thought, and I would not be surprised if, in fact, some of the above points were incorrect - everybody makes mistakes.
The problem lies in not acknowledging them.
Enough with the sermons. I don't even have a cleric character
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Some things we have been working on and are in effect now:
Outlaw Status: in the past: being declared an enemy of the state meant little. We have implemented in game tools to set Enemies of the state as hostile to guards in the village and NPCs in town. These outlaws have their own spawnpoints and utilities. Its a do-able existance but noone said outlaw life was easy.
The Nergal faction used to have unique faction spawnpoints, but somewhere a long the development line, this functionality went by the way side. It has been reimplemented.
We try to give players the ability to dynamicly shape the world though IC actions. Thats the goal. We give you the tools you ask for: you clean up you own mess.
Outlaw Status: in the past: being declared an enemy of the state meant little. We have implemented in game tools to set Enemies of the state as hostile to guards in the village and NPCs in town. These outlaws have their own spawnpoints and utilities. Its a do-able existance but noone said outlaw life was easy.
The Nergal faction used to have unique faction spawnpoints, but somewhere a long the development line, this functionality went by the way side. It has been reimplemented.
We try to give players the ability to dynamicly shape the world though IC actions. Thats the goal. We give you the tools you ask for: you clean up you own mess.
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NebUnderfoot
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Kis... you and I have RP'd together for a long time, and I at least had fun with it. Why all of a sudden are you abandoning interaction for the "Destroy ALL Evil by the Sword" bandwagon?
(As players, can't it be acknowledged that people are going to want to play diverse characters - having them hunted to death will not do much to keep or attract a playing community - especially for the more benind sorts who aren't obvious)
(As players, can't it be acknowledged that people are going to want to play diverse characters - having them hunted to death will not do much to keep or attract a playing community - especially for the more benind sorts who aren't obvious)
If there's going to be crime in Dasaria, it may as well be roganized
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ironchicken
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OOC...
Playing any alignment well has its difficulties.
In a public world such as Dasaria many interpretations of LG exist. For me any pally should feel frustrated the LAW states evil has equal protection to good and as an upholder of the law a pally should follow this. Diametrically opposed is the pally's code to thwart evil.
I have seen superb pally play in peeps like Holly and Deph. I have also seen awful pally play in others. I knew of several pally's that kept the darkwing idol... a nice magic item was more important than a trader's life, now thats LG for you.
In evil I see peeps like Rati, Rjekin, the G'Elle etc doing it well and adding to the server. I see others using it as an excuse to grief. I 'blank' several good and evil chars both IC and OOC.
Me?... I am playing a LE character and I am trying to tread the line of a gentler form of evil. I am not too offended by the concept of martial law and I put my trust in the L in Raeflyn's alignment. Equally my character is less happy with some of the redboots latest calls (head of the church of Nergal outlawed ??!!
).
Also my character has more problems with chaos than good. I often see pally's as potential allies.... *shrugs*
Bit of a ramble, sorry.... I guess i was just trying to say don't expect it not to frustrate and don't give up.
Playing any alignment well has its difficulties.
In a public world such as Dasaria many interpretations of LG exist. For me any pally should feel frustrated the LAW states evil has equal protection to good and as an upholder of the law a pally should follow this. Diametrically opposed is the pally's code to thwart evil.
I have seen superb pally play in peeps like Holly and Deph. I have also seen awful pally play in others. I knew of several pally's that kept the darkwing idol... a nice magic item was more important than a trader's life, now thats LG for you.
In evil I see peeps like Rati, Rjekin, the G'Elle etc doing it well and adding to the server. I see others using it as an excuse to grief. I 'blank' several good and evil chars both IC and OOC.
Me?... I am playing a LE character and I am trying to tread the line of a gentler form of evil. I am not too offended by the concept of martial law and I put my trust in the L in Raeflyn's alignment. Equally my character is less happy with some of the redboots latest calls (head of the church of Nergal outlawed ??!!
).Also my character has more problems with chaos than good. I often see pally's as potential allies.... *shrugs*
Bit of a ramble, sorry.... I guess i was just trying to say don't expect it not to frustrate and don't give up.
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I have always thought Kisanth is one of the best played paladins around. He seems to hate Dram, as any paladin should, seeing as he is full of himself and at times behaves in an evil way in broad daylight.
Kisanth really fights against evil. So does Meldvion. Those two paladins I have great respect for. This issue of evil deeds/creatures being "legal" in town is being worked on, and I think after a while the martial law, KOS, spawn points and other things will make the world look very different. I hope you want to hang in there 'till then, since I'd hate to see Kisanth leave.
Kisanth really fights against evil. So does Meldvion. Those two paladins I have great respect for. This issue of evil deeds/creatures being "legal" in town is being worked on, and I think after a while the martial law, KOS, spawn points and other things will make the world look very different. I hope you want to hang in there 'till then, since I'd hate to see Kisanth leave.
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I agree with everything posted on this topic so far. Great ideas!
Kis, I can feel your frustration, this is what made me stop playing my first Pally a time ago. But it is also what has brought me back to take this Divinie "burden" upon my shoulders again.
With burden I mean, just as you say, it can be very hard playing a pally and get griefed about it. I've read about Paladin's in the "create-new-character" men's and in the PHB. It never syas anywhere that a Pally is ever supposed to follow anything but his faith and better judgement. This makes me mad. I've learned from great players like Deph, Kis, Holly and Meld. It looked easy so I decided to try and BAM! I got killed, stolen from even griefed at. That made me look the other way.
Now I am here again, playing a Pally with all my might but already, when I only have spoken to 10-15 PCs' I am hated. I have already been griefed at and Killed... I understand that you want to leave sometimes Kisanth, it's just plain boring putting all of your might into doing something that seems impossible, but you've gone much further than I ever would, you are one of the Heroes in my life because you have made me enjoy this to the max. THank you.
With that I mean you have to make impacts by being yourselves.
Some people RP extraordinary BUT, I don't see many RP realisticaly.
Like to day, I'm home with the worst Cold I have ever had. Yesterday I had a bad day because I was even worse which made me angry.
That's real life.
I have never ever seen a character get mad and act that way. I have never seen a person get sad and act that way. Maybe I see these:
*Cries*
*Eyes flash to red and the anger builds within*
Sure, nice, an emotion.
How many emotions last less than 5 minutes?
When I get really hurt and Sad I can stay that way for many days, even weeks. When I'm happy I'm happy for days.
How come the characters doesn't feel emotions? RP = RolePlay... Doesn't your role have emotions?
Just something that has been bugging me.
Kisanth: Keep up the good work and keep inspiering!
Edit: Failing quote
//Davo
Kis, I can feel your frustration, this is what made me stop playing my first Pally a time ago. But it is also what has brought me back to take this Divinie "burden" upon my shoulders again.
With burden I mean, just as you say, it can be very hard playing a pally and get griefed about it. I've read about Paladin's in the "create-new-character" men's and in the PHB. It never syas anywhere that a Pally is ever supposed to follow anything but his faith and better judgement. This makes me mad. I've learned from great players like Deph, Kis, Holly and Meld. It looked easy so I decided to try and BAM! I got killed, stolen from even griefed at. That made me look the other way.
Now I am here again, playing a Pally with all my might but already, when I only have spoken to 10-15 PCs' I am hated. I have already been griefed at and Killed... I understand that you want to leave sometimes Kisanth, it's just plain boring putting all of your might into doing something that seems impossible, but you've gone much further than I ever would, you are one of the Heroes in my life because you have made me enjoy this to the max. THank you.
To form the surroundings you must have been realisticaly formed.Jehanum wrote:We try to give players the ability to dynamicly shape the world though IC actions. Thats the goal. We give you the tools you ask for: you clean up you own mess.
With that I mean you have to make impacts by being yourselves.
Some people RP extraordinary BUT, I don't see many RP realisticaly.
Like to day, I'm home with the worst Cold I have ever had. Yesterday I had a bad day because I was even worse which made me angry.
That's real life.
I have never ever seen a character get mad and act that way. I have never seen a person get sad and act that way. Maybe I see these:
*Cries*
*Eyes flash to red and the anger builds within*
Sure, nice, an emotion.
How many emotions last less than 5 minutes?
When I get really hurt and Sad I can stay that way for many days, even weeks. When I'm happy I'm happy for days.
How come the characters doesn't feel emotions? RP = RolePlay... Doesn't your role have emotions?
Just something that has been bugging me.
Kisanth: Keep up the good work and keep inspiering!
Edit: Failing quote
//Davo
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LoFang
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Another thing to consider, is the good/neutral/evil lawful/neutral/chaotic bits of a character's alignment, are referring to their personality. You CAN have a law abiding chaotic character. You can have a lawful character that doesn't follow the letter of the law. But a chaotic character might behave erratically or more emotionally to a situation than a lawful character.
I'm going to set up a few pages readable here on the good ol' WWW, that focus on some background information for characters. Things like why elves have that resistance to sleep (and that in fact they don't truly sleep at all) I have a great deal of the 3rd and 2nd edition books at my disposal to scan so hopefully there will be some info in there applicable to most characters once I am finished. Some things in particular I'm going to focus on at first.
Drow: Why there isn't good drow
Elves: Why they aren't humans with pointy ears
etc.
If you're looking for more info on a race or class to flesh out your character, let me know and I'll find what info I can for you.
I think it will be a nice thing to have, so that people have a common pool of knowledge to start from. There are, of course, exceptions to every rule, however exceptions shouldn't become the rule.
Sorry if this went a little off topic, but it seems to fit here to me.
I'm going to set up a few pages readable here on the good ol' WWW, that focus on some background information for characters. Things like why elves have that resistance to sleep (and that in fact they don't truly sleep at all) I have a great deal of the 3rd and 2nd edition books at my disposal to scan so hopefully there will be some info in there applicable to most characters once I am finished. Some things in particular I'm going to focus on at first.
Drow: Why there isn't good drow
Elves: Why they aren't humans with pointy ears
etc.
If you're looking for more info on a race or class to flesh out your character, let me know and I'll find what info I can for you.
I think it will be a nice thing to have, so that people have a common pool of knowledge to start from. There are, of course, exceptions to every rule, however exceptions shouldn't become the rule.
Sorry if this went a little off topic, but it seems to fit here to me.
DM LoFang, the Gnoll Lord
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I agree with you full Kis, as you know I play Kin G 'Elle. You wouldn't believe how hard it was at first to make poeple hate him. Dammit I had to actively seek KOS status to try to get people to react correctly to a Drow!! I can't understand people creating drow characters then being upset when I attack them on site with Bognars C/G son who watched his father butchered by drow.
We limited member numbers in The G'Elle so it didn't get out of hand, but it doesn't stop others creating them. Should there be some kind of screening process? *shrugs*
I think you're right about the Paladin things as well. We had this sort of row when Holly was on the council with Nergalites. No offense at all to Holly, but a lot of us didnt agree with that.
Paladins should be against Evil full stop.
The only thing I can say is keep at it, we did with The G 'Elle, working through a lot of hassles and i've discussed plans with the DMs on what sort of route they would like to see us take. I think we've made a difference to peoples reactions to Drow, and I know my other characters and the other G'Elle players characters all try to beat the snot out of each other when we're online.
Stick to your ideals mate.
We limited member numbers in The G'Elle so it didn't get out of hand, but it doesn't stop others creating them. Should there be some kind of screening process? *shrugs*
I think you're right about the Paladin things as well. We had this sort of row when Holly was on the council with Nergalites. No offense at all to Holly, but a lot of us didnt agree with that.
Paladins should be against Evil full stop.
The only thing I can say is keep at it, we did with The G 'Elle, working through a lot of hassles and i've discussed plans with the DMs on what sort of route they would like to see us take. I think we've made a difference to peoples reactions to Drow, and I know my other characters and the other G'Elle players characters all try to beat the snot out of each other when we're online.
Stick to your ideals mate.
Those who watch their backs meet death from the front.....
(Drow proverb)
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The G'elles are great, they gave me my first "Oh-My-God-I-am-Getting-killed-must-breathe" experience. My heartpound like a 2 rabbits playing hide and seek in some bushes.
The moral of this topic: RPing properly is somewhat the hardest thing you can choose to to, but also the greatest fun!
I do think that the DMs should post some kind of infos in the world background forum... Like:
Race-info
Class-info
More info in the Pantheon as it is half-informative
More deities perhaps...
//Davo
The moral of this topic: RPing properly is somewhat the hardest thing you can choose to to, but also the greatest fun!
I do think that the DMs should post some kind of infos in the world background forum... Like:
Race-info
Class-info
More info in the Pantheon as it is half-informative
More deities perhaps...
//Davo
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Once I get some of the Drow of the Underdark sourcebook material up, I think a lot of people will see how hard it would be to grow up or suddenly become a "good drow"Feral wrote:I agree with you full Kis, as you know I play Kin G 'Elle. You wouldn't believe how hard it was at first to make poeple hate him. Dammit I had to actively seek KOS status to try to get people to react correctly to a Drow!! I can't understand people creating drow characters then being upset when I attack them on site with Bognars C/G son who watched his father butchered by drow.
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I think we've made a difference to peoples reactions to Drow
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It's hard to learn how to build trusting relationships when you're used to the idea that your own best friend would plant a knife in your back if it suited their goals. And of course there's the fact that you'd naturally do the same.....DM LoFang, the Gnoll Lord
Once in a while I notice someone making a long winded post about how to play such and such, then making a threat to leave.
I disagree with a 99% of what you said. I think the players here are dedicated and most play their characters well. I know of around 5 Drow here which relative to all the other players probably make up about 1% of the players. As for the Nergalites, I had some of my best moments with these players. Occassionaly a new Nerg' comes along who has his/her own view of what it is to play an evil character but the DM/GMs catch on quick and something is done about them.
I'd never play a Paladin because they seem to be the most self-righteous players I've ever come across. By virtue of the character choice they appear to believe they have say on what makes good role-play or not.
I could go on and on bit at risk of going all Ad Hominem . So I'll cut it short there.
I disagree with a 99% of what you said. I think the players here are dedicated and most play their characters well. I know of around 5 Drow here which relative to all the other players probably make up about 1% of the players. As for the Nergalites, I had some of my best moments with these players. Occassionaly a new Nerg' comes along who has his/her own view of what it is to play an evil character but the DM/GMs catch on quick and something is done about them.
I'd never play a Paladin because they seem to be the most self-righteous players I've ever come across. By virtue of the character choice they appear to believe they have say on what makes good role-play or not.
I could go on and on bit at risk of going all Ad Hominem . So I'll cut it short there.
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