Pc Guardsman

[Crimson Knightmare]

Okay this has been bothering me for a long time now but I had kept my mouth shut.. Im just going to voice my oppinion on this.. so please dont take offense!

Okay.. Iv been seeing alot of people becoming guardsman that are just wonky : /

What I mean... is I have seen Barbarian guardsman.. Look at what Barbarians are.. There not lawful good or lawful for reasons that are well suited.. I dont understand how the ruthless chaotic class can be a upholder of laws..

Rogues.... There basically thugs.. The law dont mean anything to them, though not everone is like that.. but cmon.. You read a book or look at d&d campaigns.. Do you think a city would be guarded by Barbarians and rogues? I just dont understand this.. Iv seen several rogues become guardsman.. all I have seen and watched there rp.. its like.. wow your a guardsman.. yes I know people can change and its quiet possible but now its something for them to wave above there heads hey im the law here do what I say.

Race is another thing.. Half orcs.. Cmon there chaotic.. Half human half orc.. orcs are evil things though the thing comes into play that people rpthem as they want but I just see so many of them..

Please for anyone whos reading this dont take offense im just stateing my oppinion on the subject and im not meaninga personal attack on anyone.

[DM Chicken Little]

The Redboots are a player driven faction, who through events, roleplaying, and storylines gained IC support from the powers of authority.

If the DM team regulated who joined them, it would be just as fair as if we said who could be a Kingseeker, a Cutter, Nergalite, etc... Wont happen.

IC change comes from IC actions.

[Redder]

Crimson,

Think about this....

What make you think "all" the guards are good and lawful?

Maybe some of them are not....

Ooooo intrigue....

(Dont spoil it DM's)

[Gunak]

I agree with Redder, somewhat. Althought we boots are generally a fine bunch, I think, realistically, a medieval town guard organization is one of the last places I'd go to if I wanted to find good honest fellas.

[Stormknife]

What I mean... is I have seen Barbarian guardsman.. Look at what Barbarians are.. There not lawful good or lawful for reasons that are well suited.. I dont understand how the ruthless chaotic class can be a upholder of laws..

CG barbarian (I apologize for the stupid barbarian stereotype): Me not think it right for bigger people to hit smaller people, and me not think it right to take things that you not earn through fighting and that not gifts. What? Redboots make sure stuff like this no happen? Me love to join!!

Rogues.... There basically thugs.. The law dont mean anything to them, though not everone is like that..

You said it yourself. Not every rogue is a thug. Nor is every rogue guardsman throwing around their power and saying "You have to do what I say you have to do."

Rogue != chaotic! What's the best thing to counter a rogue or an assassin? Another rogue! An LG rogue is ENTIRELY possible.

Race is another thing.. Half orcs.. Cmon there chaotic.. Half human half orc.. orcs are evil things though the thing comes into play that people rpthem as they want but I just see so many of them..

It depends on where they are raised. Half-orcs raised with orcs tend towards chaos and evil. Half-orcs raised with humans tend to take on human tendencies towards alignment (which means just about anything under the sun).

Now if we had some drow guardsmen, I'd see your point...but half-orcs? They're one of the two races that are best suited to front line combat roles (the other being dwarves). A group made up of primarily arms users would have to be foolish to ignore a resource like that.

[Oosey]

Incase you were wondering...

!= means "is not equal to"

programmer jargon

A good definition of what Lawful and what Chotic is, is needed. To me, Lawful means Orderly, in other words, they think out strategies, remain cool headed and plan things out in advance. Whereas Chaotic people act on whim, shoot first ask questions later. Both types fit into the booty system. Though generally the chaotic type wont gain many rankings...

With the racial thing, I can see where your coming from, and it'll have to be a pretty special Drow that becomes a booty (-.- Kell) Horcs however, can fit in the scheme of things. Their like the dumb guard that can be manipulated easily, there aren't too many Horcs around anyway, and generally the ones that make it to Daris, are the kind ones looking out for the town anyways

I've seen a good defination of the alignments somewhere, i'll see if I can post it up at some point...

- Oose ^^

['Ling Niles]

Aren't they part of some specific "Brute Squad?"

Seems to fit...

[Mon-Da-Oth]

Some Half-Orcs wish they were all human.

[Rullh]

So basically, according to the initial post on this thread, the brigade should be reserved to merely fighters, humans, elves, dwarves, pallies, clerics, halflings and gnomes?

That doesnt seem right to me. Considering that it is not your class that defines your alignment. Class to me describes what kind of skills and weaponry and the likes your character is trained in.

The exception to this is the pallie. They are supposed to be lawful good zealots, and yes they should.
However this is not due to their class in my opinion, this is more a result of the religious influence they went through to obtain their title as paladin in the first place.

A paladin has divine powers for a reason, it is due to divine influence, a paladin stripped of divine influence is in my opinion a "knight" of either moral standards, good or bad.

but enough about that.

It is very possible to play a pretty decent rogue, it is possible to play a civil barbarian.
And yes, as stated earlier, it depends on how they grew up.
Take butch for instance, he was born within a tribe of barbarians, and learned their way to fight...hence he is a barbarian, but he left that life early, was taken under the wing of Gomez... taught to adapt to civilized society.. and henceforth he became a redboot in time, well deserved in my opinion...

The same with other chars...such as Azrael (rouge), Vrok (half orc) and so on... they are far better redboots in my opinion than any pallie would make... no offense to pallie redboot players if any...
But if you look through history, there have been lazy guards, corrupt guards, big and stupid guards, zealot guards and soforth... all kinds...

This is due to the fact that soldiers are people, and people are different...it would be very unrealistic if the whole brigade only consisted of doo-gooders and samaritans, and holier than thou people... Normal people become guards... the holy doo gooders often gets higher more trusted titles within churches or the royal apparatus....

The brigade needs muscle, barbarians and half orcs are good for that, then need strategists, fighters are good at that, they need mages, they need healers, and clerics work fine there, even though the redboot brigade is not an all out religious faction.
They need rouges to spy, infiltrate and gather intelligence.

Basing an entire military organ upon flat out combatants without special skills in each of the fields, would not only be stupid.... it would be very unrealistic....

As to the alignmenst.... chaotic, yes.. impulsive, there can be impulsive guards....

Good, yes... good people often make good guards if they arent too soft... at least they have the right spirit....

Evil, even evil people can become guards, but for very different reasons... usually that is to exploit the authority....

but I stress again:

Basing an entire military organ upon flat out combatants without special skills in each of the fields, would not only be stupid.... it would be very unrealistic....

thank you for your attention... heh (I'll be impressed if someone actually reads all of this )

[Kell]

And then there are the guards who really just do it for the money they get payed.

I mean. You can try to start your own farm too, but sometimes that just wont work.

[Rullh]

Yes! not to forget about those!

[Tinuvhiell]

i think being a "rogue" class defines your skills, not what you do with them. sure they are able to choose some more unsavory abilities, such as pick pocket, but not all of them do. so rogues being redboots seems fine to me

As for the rest, it depends on how you play, too. Nothing fits better than the "dumb barbarian" or the "dumb orc" who just wants to be told who to smash next...

[Boon]

Sergeant Talaluth Juran is a rogue. Or should I say he is a guard/archer with rogue skills. And he is LN.

Being in a somewhat remote village, I think it makes perfect sense to have different types of "backgrounds" in the guard.

[DM Agony]

The Redboots are a player driven faction, who through events, roleplaying, and storylines gained IC support from the powers of authority.

If the DM team regulated who joined them, it would be just as fair as if we said who could be a Kingseeker, a Cutter, Nergalite, etc... Wont happen.

IC change comes from IC actions.

Although this sums up how I feel very much so I'll go one step further.

Personally, I think that people put to much emphsize on the classes in general. Honestly, unless a character showcases his/her abilities, actions, reaction and the sort....how can anyone really make an assumption as to what that character is? Sure, you can examine them, read thier story, or...eventually finding out what a character's build is, find out that way.

What I'm trying to say is, if your going to RP, why not go all out? Become indepth within the world, figure people for who they present themselves as, not through OOC knowledge of what that character's build is.

For all I care, the Redboots can be a secrective band of Varanite assassins hell-bent on taking out the village from the inside while the rest of the world sees them as humble, hard-working guards. Until I can find out more of a character through IC actions I just assume to keep things simple.

Another thing, you must realize that within the NWN engine and Dasaria, the classes presented to the server are limited in comparrison to PnP. People stretch thier imaginations here, we all do it. I recently met a player who is playing a character that he is presenting to the world as a Dragoon, whatever that is will be displayed and consumed within this world for what this player makes of it, obviously there is no "Dragoon" class per say, but with imagination and RP I would only assume that this character will be fun to keep track of as a DM.

Crimson, I'm glad you feel comfortable enough to post your concerns, this sort of discussion leads to branchs of other things and should only be encouraged to press on.

No offense taken mate, none.

[Jehannum]

Trying to get people to come to a concensus on a definition of RP is like....

Well i dont know what its like...but its pretty much impossible!