three papers i wrote last month...

ispq · Post by **ispq** » Wed May 12, 2004 3:07 am

hitler

Peepslayer · Post by **Peepslayer** » Wed May 12, 2004 3:13 am

ispq wrote:hitler

Care to explain that?

ispq · Post by **ispq** » Wed May 12, 2004 3:20 am

I was invoking Goddards Law, it often makes threads go away.

The longer a thread lasts, the greater the chance someone will mention the nazis or hitler. I figured I'd jump the gun.

Peepslayer · Post by **Peepslayer** » Wed May 12, 2004 3:22 am

ispq wrote:I was invoking Goddards Law, it often makes threads go away.

The longer a thread lasts, the greater the chance someone will mention the nazis or hitler. I figured I'd jump the gun.

riiiiiiiiiiiiiight. thanks for playing, come again.

Mad Season · Post by **Mad Season** » Wed May 12, 2004 3:31 am

Peepslayer wrote:
Sable wrote:dont make me come in here and slap everyone sillier..
I triple dog dare ya to try and make Loki any sillier

Marmite thread, pages 11 and 12.

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I've actually never been able to classify myself precisely as an atheist or an agnostic. I admit that there could be a god(s), but I'm not particularly interested. If there is, I demand non-interference. I'll take physics and free will, thank you. I will NOT worship ANY being. (Except maybe Boon, but he does favors for me

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ispq · Post by **ispq** » Wed May 12, 2004 3:39 am

I'm a fairly firm believer in physics, which has the unfortunate side effect of making me a believer in predestination in aggregate.

Religion, on the other hand, is just a remarkably resilient cultural meme. Most importantly, since one for the most part can neither proof nor disprove myths and parables, one should not use the bible as supporting evidence in an arguement. Unless you are arguing about the contents of a specific passage, in which case ask which version is being discussed.

Feral · Post by **Feral** » Wed May 12, 2004 4:34 am

Well, glad this came back it was interesting. what I couldn't understand Heretic, was the fact you were stating that the bible was flawed etc, claiming to be a bible basher, then when I stated another flaw of christianity being, followers picking and choosing the guidleines to live by, you thought I was arguing with you? thats what threw me into thinking you were then defending christianity......

all i'm saying is that religion, like Peeps said, is an individual persons perspective. I had an argument with a asian guy at work once who said the bible was rubbish, not true, which was kind of silly as I believe and he confirmed that the koraan had parts taken from the bible....though i'm not absolutely sure. He then went on a foul mouthed tirade saying he could kill me for insulting his religion, a religion which preaches forgiveness and lists blaspemy as a sin. when i then confronted him with this, he answered..."swearing is only a minor sin" He then went to the canteen and lit up a cigarette......(another sin i believe)

all of this was going on while one of his friends was kneeling on a mat praying to Mecca....

Peepslayer · Post by **Peepslayer** » Wed May 12, 2004 5:23 am

Feral has a good point. There is a translation of the Koran, which may or may not be true since i dont read Arabic much at all, which states that Jesus of the Christian faith is recognized as a prophet. Now if i recall properly, a prophet of the Muslim faith is only declared one if all what they speak is true.

Either it is an actual historical case of religions working off of each other, or just another attempt to translate an original text to the meaning you want today. I really doubt the Muslims are saying that Jesus was being truthful and honest when he said the only way to God was through him. After all, the common accepted versoin of the Bible is the King James Version. Which reads much different than if you have someone translate the original text.

Science does seem to be a bane at times to organized or transcribed religions, as ispq vaguely pointed out. I live in the south of the USA, and a county i went to school in at one time now has a disclaimer to its students in the front of each science book stating that Evolution is only a theory, while Creationism is in the Bible. Looking past the complex issue of church and state, i still just smack my head into a wall over that. If the answer of science is in the atoms and carbon counts of living materials, why isnt that allowable in the 7 day creationist theory?

Science i boil down to this little phrase at times when having to factor in relgion to issues: "God made man. Man made science. And science destroyed God."

Looking past the contridictions of the Bible, what always has had me interested in it, is the backdoors written into the faith. "That no man can name the time or place of the second coming." Well gee, i guess that takes out any attempt to place time lines on the Bible's events. *especially since in the era the bible was written, the largest number factored was 1000 x 1000...which was the calculation of the number of angels) or the idea of Dogmatic Law taken loosely from the Catholic faith, "What laws man writes on earth, will be honored in Heaven." It gives a a great room of doubt as to what man can really learn and predict from that book. But the message of love and understanding never changes. The meaning of Christ: the representation and iconization of him stays constant. As well as the idea that man isnt perfect, and this book is man's telling of the stories and history. Then how can the book be a perfect telling of events? Thus, how the gaps and contridictions can exist in a retelling like that...the trick is that either you read the book line for line as truth, or you see it as a possibly larger meaning to examined.

And ive yet to find anyone who reads the book line for line as the stated truth, who ISNT a devotee of a religion.

Loki · Post by **Loki** » Wed May 12, 2004 6:44 am

I can't say that I can see organised religion as anything other than a tool to subjugate the masses.. equally i can only see faith as something that someone can comfort themselves with..

And the worst of these at the moment? Science! The amount of faith placed on this subject is unbelievable.. people will believe anything if there told that science has 'proved' it.

http://users.aol.com/DaveMcCall/science.htm

Feral · Post by **Feral** » Wed May 12, 2004 8:47 am

and the ones that really confuse me? Satanists.... If they believe in Satan, they must believe in God. Talk about backing a loser......

Then again they do say that the biggest con trick Satan managed was making people believe he doesn't exist, why not the same with God until the last day? He can pop up and say "Ok game over, thank you and goodnight....."

Hailfall · Post by **Hailfall** » Wed May 12, 2004 8:52 am

religion gives me headaches..

Judas · Post by **Judas** » Wed May 12, 2004 9:00 am

Jim Morrison wrote:We are all gods

a man walks a thousand miles of barbed wire with no shoes ... then exausted , his bare feet torn and bloody , bows before an idol of himself ....

he should of stayed at home

Roser · Post by **Roser** » Thu May 13, 2004 7:08 am

uh oh uni ....uh oh

Inahnia · Post by **Inahnia** » Thu May 13, 2004 7:25 am

I agree with Jim Morrison

Although perhaps it should be "gods-in-training"...........

And I for one KNOW that miracles occur and prayers are answered immediately and personally. ( and no, I'm not a 'Christian')

ispq · Post by **ispq** » Fri May 14, 2004 3:14 am

Loki wrote:And the worst of these at the moment? Science! The amount of faith placed on this subject is unbelievable.. people will believe anything if there told that science has 'proved' it.

I've run and recorded many a basic physics, chemistry and biology experiment. I’ve personally tested many scientific theories. I won’t say my results matched 100%, but I tend to think that the error lies more with the instruments and the recorder (ie me) than with the theory.

The amount of faith required to accept science is small, quite small. For me it is the acceptance that I exist, you exist, and all the stuff around us exists. That has to be the basic premise, otherwise we can stop talking all go home. Once I accept that the scientific method simply allows me to view and process data in some intelligible way. It does not dictate how I or anyone else lives, it simply tells us what the consequences of our actions might be.

I do not have to have a huge faith in some large concept called Science, I simply have to have some small faith that things exist in some fashion and I can perceive them.