A new guild

Stonehammer · Post by **Stonehammer** » Wed Jul 06, 2005 12:49 pm

A new guild is looking for recruits.

I am looking to restart the fabled Ebon Rose, under a new name and leader. I would like to see if there is interest in what I have in mind for the group.

I am looking for the group to be mostly neutral or good. The group will hopefully be made up of Rangers, Rogues, Druids, Fighters, Sorcerers, Wizards, and Clerics. Since this group will be using some nefarious means to achieve our goals I do not think any Paladins or Monks (both Lawful) PC’s would fit in well. Barbarians also would not be a good fit since the group will be using skill and subtly as well as intellect to achieve the aims, not brute force. This will be a heavy RP group, not a group of hack and slash buddies.

The core function of the guild will be to balance out the evil spreading in the land. Also, to do the jobs that the Redboot’s are either unable or unfit to perform. We will be the group that the bad guys fear when things go bump in the night.

This is in the initial stages and I would like people to PM (or find me on MSN Messenger) me if they are interested, or want more information. If there is enough interest I will continue to move forward with this.

The basis for this can be found in the Tales and Stories forum, under the A New Bloom thread.

http://www.dasaria.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=8343

Cerberus · Post by **Cerberus** » Wed Jul 06, 2005 1:17 pm

Hmm... Lone is all for balance... he's true neutral... although Anu is Lawful Neutral, Lone believes in all manner of things to be used in bringing balance (he has no qualms using...less accepted...forms of force)...

Sounds interesting... Lone has had quite a following as a Cleric... about time he belonged to something..... let me know.

Oye99 · Post by **Oye99** » Wed Jul 06, 2005 4:11 pm

Wasn't the Ebone Rose a gang of murders, mostly drow?... I mean.. who could ever forget Izghad eh?

Evelond Formos · Post by **Evelond Formos** » Wed Jul 06, 2005 4:43 pm

I don't know, but what crazed people would gather just to murder people?

Stonehammer · Post by **Stonehammer** » Wed Jul 06, 2005 5:37 pm

There were 2 Ebon Roses. The first was the Drow one, which was routed and taken over by Darwin Po which lead to the second one, being filled with rogues and good hearted ne'er do wells. Both have gone away except for the last member of the second Rose, one Gaebril Patric (me) who is starting up a new guild with a new name, but with some of the same principles of the second Rose.

Evelond Formos · Post by **Evelond Formos** » Wed Jul 06, 2005 7:42 pm

Hmmm . . . sorry, but maybe I'll join once I have another character. Haru can't be with the same people constantly, he wouldn't be on time; and Divven would get killed by the Redboots. Sorry, cant join yet.

El Pantezo · Post by **El Pantezo** » Wed Jul 06, 2005 8:52 pm

A lot like the harpers, then?

Peregrinus · Post by **Peregrinus** » Wed Jul 06, 2005 10:53 pm

At this point, I don't think new factions could thrive, or survive without a major restruct of some of the old factions. The good guys are spread to thin, and basically all the evil is concentrated. I've had a few crazy thoughts about this, and my basic opinion is that pretty much all the good alligned groups that don't serve a signficant purpose (Read: pretty much all groups outside the Redboots) should probably be disbanded and a new group should be formed, one that basically absorbed all the old good factions into a new unified one...

Also note, that looking for recruits OOC is probably not be the best way to go about this, as most of the good groups seem to start from IC actions... I'd suggest quietly recruiting IC rather than OOC. Might I suggest contacting a man who currently resides in a bit of ruins just west of Daris?

DM Chicken Little · Post by **DM Chicken Little** » Wed Jul 06, 2005 11:04 pm

Factions are IC player creations...even those like the Kingseekers, Redboots, and Nergalites. If players want to build a group and set goals, they are more than welcome...if they wish to build events and storylines, they stand a good chance to gain DM attention.

No group or player should feel the need to disband their faction, or not create a new one. The Ebon Rose is an old group, and if they IC rebuild...they are welcome to do so.

The server does have a lower population these days, but some groups still thrive, and are acknowledged for doing so. Dasaria is what you make of it, and factions have always been added additions by players.

If the good guys are spread too thin...that seems to be IC decisions, and nothing for anyone to look at OOC reasons for.

Stonehammer · Post by **Stonehammer** » Thu Jul 07, 2005 12:39 am

Well, to answer the questions posed before me.

1 - I posted this thread to see if there was interest in rebuilding / recreating the Ebon Rose. If no one was interested I wasn't going to pursue it. Instead of trying to do it in an IC manner (The Story) it would be quicker to get a feel for people interest by posting OOC.

2 - Maybe people are spread thin, and yes the game is now entering it's third year, but people are still interested in the groups like the 'Boot's and Nerg's and the Ebon Rose (which will soon be renamed the Silver Thorns). To make you feel better, I have had 5 people approach me about the Rose. That's not a huge group but it should be a good group.

3 - Yeah the Rose is an old group, and I am not doing anything to the old forums. I will have a new forum thread created (thanks Wyvern) so not to disturb the old forums for archival purposes.

and finally, I am a grumpy old bastard and really like the Rose and like Das to play on so I am bringing back to life the one group that I enjoyed on Das when I use to play a lot here. So there!

Harper · Post by **Harper** » Thu Jul 07, 2005 5:41 am

El Pantezo wrote:A lot like the harpers, then?

I'll field this one, if people don't mind

Although the Modus-Operandi on the surface may appear similar - "Good guys doing things the sneaky way" - it's important to also concider the IC reasons that the two groups exist.

The "Dasarian Harpers" have a clearly defined purpose and reason for existing. It is, in the big picture, a "Good" purpose. However it is on occasion questionable if that purpose is the right thing from the point of veiw of the ruling classes of the nation of Dasaria. That's why, unless Nelina has snuck a proclaimation through when we weren't looking, the Harpers are still "officially" on the books as EOS...

Peregrinus wrote:At this point, I don't think new factions could thrive, or survive without a major restruct of some of the old factions. The good guys are spread to thin, and basically all the evil is concentrated. I've had a few crazy thoughts about this, and my basic opinion is that pretty much all the good alligned groups that don't serve a signficant purpose (Read: pretty much all groups outside the Redboots) should probably be disbanded and a new group should be formed, one that basically absorbed all the old good factions into a new unified one...

Also note, that looking for recruits OOC is probably not be the best way to go about this, as most of the good groups seem to start from IC actions... I'd suggest quietly recruiting IC rather than OOC. Might I suggest contacting a man who currently resides in a bit of ruins just west of Daris?

I don't disagree that some "good" factions appear dormant or ineffective in their current state - but, as you've pointed out yourself Peregrinus, most of them exist as IC organisations. Some you might be able link, with the right IC brokering, the Kingseekers and LightBringers for example could probably work closer together - but others probably won't purely for IC reasons.

Wyvern · Post by **Wyvern** » Thu Jul 07, 2005 8:33 am

Personally, I see the functionality of most of the faction related play breaking down, largely due to the low player base. If we have five people on, we are usually fairly lucky most days. Does this mean there isnt a place for player-driven factions? No, of course not. The player factions have, and probably will continue to drive out exactly what defines Dasaria. Do I think they might be rather more inneffectual than they used to be? A tough one. Yes, if no one in said faction does anything. I think that is the key. If the Kingseekers want to sit in their shiny tower all day, so what? If the Redboots sit in their barracks all day, so what? If the Nergs want to sit in their pit of neverending darkness and evil, so what? New individuals, and groups will fill the void. Is the answer to drive out pulling all them into a singlar group to concentrate the efforts? Probably. But then, what if no one in said faction does anything?. Is the answer to look to recruit new players for a new group? Probably, unless no one in said faction does anything.

There is a trend here it seems.

Inaction often breeds inaction. Far too many of the factions remain dormant, thus nothing happens. If a character, or a group of characters wanted to play out pulling them all together, consolodating them, they would be supported if their actions were IC. If a character, or a group of characters wanted to play out building a new group to fill the void, they would be supported if their actions were IC. If a character or a group of characters wanted to play out replacing another group because they proved to be ineffectual, they would be supported if their actions were IC.

See where I am coming from with this? Das is about options, but you make your own. We do not make them for you.

Stonehammer · Post by **Stonehammer** » Fri Jul 08, 2005 1:18 pm

Thanks for getting back to me. I will be away this weekend but after that I will have a bunch of stuff to plug into the new forum and hopefully will be able to start adding people to the forum so we can get a start. I look forward to starting the Silver Thorns up with you lot.

Be Well.

Ohio41 · Post by **Ohio41** » Fri Jul 08, 2005 6:12 pm

Interesting to say the least....

Good luck Stonehammer.

Stonehammer · Post by **Stonehammer** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 8:23 am

Anyone interested - we are still accepting people.