EOS -- a handful of questions:

[WarOrdos]

1. For first level EOS characters, the Default setting for a drow for example, are there NPC quests and the like, as there are in "the good towns" that EOS characters can participate in?

2. Do EOS characters have equal access to other prestiege classes, the harpers notwithstanding? Can an EOS character get a full progression in all prestiege classes but for the harper scout? (I know there are factions for progression past lvl 5, I'm uncertain as to how many of those factions are mutually exclusive and/or limited to EOS or non-EOS).

3. Do EOS characters have equal access to the "trade skills" area or are there two "trade skills" regions one for EOS and one for the socially acceptable?

4. Are there scripted "redemption" options in place or would any such, "shifting" be strictly the domain of DM assitance re. quests? ie. it's easy to break the law or become more evil with scripted elements--kill farmers slide to evil for example. Are there sufficiently balancing mechanisms by which one can become more "Good" et al.? (ie. the doll quest would be a one hit wonder, and less than even a single farmer execution).

Thanks in advance.
Cheers

[Evelond Formos]

1. For first level EOS characters, the Default setting for a drow for example, are there NPC quests and the like, as there are in "the good towns" that EOS characters can participate in?

2. Do EOS characters have equal access to other prestiege classes, the harpers notwithstanding? Can an EOS character get a full progression in all prestiege classes but for the harper scout? (I know there are factions for progression past lvl 5, I'm uncertain as to how many of those factions are mutually exclusive and/or limited to EOS or non-EOS).

3. Do EOS characters have equal access to the "trade skills" area or are there two "trade skills" regions one for EOS and one for the socially acceptable?

4. Are there scripted "redemption" options in place or would any such, "shifting" be strictly the domain of DM assitance re. quests? ie. it's easy to break the law or become more evil with scripted elements--kill farmers slide to evil for example. Are there sufficiently balancing mechanisms by which one can become more "Good" et al.? (ie. the doll quest would be a one hit wonder, and less than even a single farmer execution).

Thanks in advance.
Cheers

1. I believe if the area does not have Redboots or Crusaders in it, you can easily get whichever quest is there. OR if you can sneak by them with infallability.

2. Yes. Otherwise, people already with the prestige classes that turned EoS would be a hassle. Actually, I think that rule was changed before I arrived. I think you can simply just choose your prestige class and go on passed level 5.

3. If you can somehow sneak passed the guards into the one in Daris, then all tradeskill areas are available to EoS, as far as I know.

4. Not all evil characters are EoS. Just those whom get caught or proved to have broken the law up to three times, or whom are of the Drow race. And I don't quite know the answer to your question; I think the Palemoon quest may be able to shift your alignment good? Otherwise I think it is only do-able by DMs.

Hope I at least helped a little

~Evelond~

[DM Chicken Little]

1. For first level EOS characters, the Default setting for a drow for example, are there NPC quests and the like, as there are in "the good towns" that EOS characters can participate in?

2. Do EOS characters have equal access to other prestiege classes, the harpers notwithstanding? Can an EOS character get a full progression in all prestiege classes but for the harper scout? (I know there are factions for progression past lvl 5, I'm uncertain as to how many of those factions are mutually exclusive and/or limited to EOS or non-EOS).

3. Do EOS characters have equal access to the "trade skills" area or are there two "trade skills" regions one for EOS and one for the socially acceptable?

4. Are there scripted "redemption" options in place or would any such, "shifting" be strictly the domain of DM assitance re. quests? ie. it's easy to break the law or become more evil with scripted elements--kill farmers slide to evil for example. Are there sufficiently balancing mechanisms by which one can become more "Good" et al.? (ie. the doll quest would be a one hit wonder, and less than even a single farmer execution).

Thanks in advance.
Cheers

1. Not entirely. There are no 'good towns for eos.' EOS status is intended to be difficult since it is an IC action taken. There are some quests which EOS characters can participate in.

2. Yes. Red Dragon Disciple and Shadowdancer are still locked off, with very rare exception to some characters. However an EOS character can progress in PrCs. However if your character is EOS and still listing themselves as lawful good, you may get some of that DM attention.

3. The trade halls are located in villages, which may make it harder for EOS. There are some trade areas located outside of villages, however this would be up to a character to find them or learn of their location IC.

4. There are redemption points as you call them, primarily quests, and a few other things in the game. This can help you shift your alignment, however they cannot remove you from EOS listing. The removal of being EOS is something do by character actions, and eventually a formal removal of it by the correct IC powers. (then facilitated by a DM).

[Jehannum]

You will only become an EOS by direct tagging by a DM which will come about by reports from other players, the Brigadier of the redboot brigade or by DM observation of actions. The DM being the "eyes" of the village NPCS or authority of the crown in an IC sense. It is a direct IC action. There is no OOC to being declared an enemy of state.



We have by no means striven to make being an enemy of state fun or easy. I would not reccomend playing that path by choice to anyone, and Im not going to be, at this point, spending precious developmental time accomodating that type of play which in many (NOT ALL!!!) cases is anti-social at the core.

[Hailfall]

Oh come on Jeh.. Shala has been wanting that manor for ages now.. Even a EOS Demoness needs some privacy..

[Jehannum]

Hey, you got a love-sick robber...Some people are never satisfied ;p.


I should not have said that about the anti-social part. It really isnt true, but really...I dont think it would be a good thing for Dasaria to make life any more interesting or rewarding for enemy-of-state characters.

[lankycheese]

We got enough evil doers anyways, make it anymore interesting and the whole population would be EoS. If anything, I say give anyone that's good all Holy Avengers, even if their class can't use it.

Yep, Holy Avengers, that'd make things more interesting ^^

[WarOrdos]

Well the bulk of my characters tend to be LN and TN mercenary types marching to the beat of their own organisational ethos. I tend to like flexibility in a character and rarely, if ever, play one that is a steadfast zealot or otherwise an extremist.

That said, I was asking about EOS elements more from the prospective of a Drow PC, or any others who start out EOS by "default". Other PC's would get a chance to build up some before getting the designation. A Drow, in theory, is EOS from day one. As such, I was trying to see how viable such would be in terms of in module options--access to skills, quests, merchants etc.

Thanks for the replies.

P.S.
Jehannum, please check your forum PM's. The Prestiege class question got answered here, but one of the "Dascentric" characters I'd like to try my hand at is somewhat...odd and it was suggested by Tater I get someone in the know to approve it first--which I guess would be you?!?

[Hailfall]

Hey, you got a love-sick robber...Some people are never satisfied ;p.

Everyone always kills him

[Jehannum]

was trying to see how viable such would be in terms of in module options--access to skills, quests, merchants etc.

It is doable without a doubt, though difficult. I would imagine that it is very very difficult in low levels especially.