Life vs. Death

Logan Wallace · Post by **Logan Wallace** » Mon Nov 07, 2005 11:25 am

Last weekend, after a fun evening with his friends, a boy in my daughter’s “posse” parked his car, took an overdose of pain pills, wrote a note, then sat down on the train tracks, ending his life.

He was a good kid, well liked, lots of friends, blah blah....
He knew he was a good person, which made it that much harder that the girl he liked wasn’t interested in him back.

This entire week, I have seen so much love for this boy overflow, I just wonder if he knew that there was that much love for him, he’d reconsider his choice, even if SHE didn’t like him.

Anyway,
Tell someone today that you normally don’t on a day-to-day basis... that you love them.

It may save a life.
It may not.
But at least they know.

Crimson Knightmare · Post by **Crimson Knightmare** » Mon Nov 07, 2005 11:37 am

Wow that made me cry.. Cause I do have a friend like that and hes tried doing it but I was there.. Sometimes just being there helps.. Its sad that people will go to actions like that...

Im sorry for what has happened

lankycheese · Post by **lankycheese** » Mon Nov 07, 2005 11:44 am

My quiet little Australian town is normally quite absent of drama like this, but there have been some things lately that have really shaken me.

Most recent being two nights ago, about two houses up from me, an 18 year old girl got run over and killed... It took me ages to find the name and I had the worst feeling all day that it was a good friend of mine...

In the end, Life vs Death, death wins, but you may aswell give it hell before it takes ya down.

Kell · Post by **Kell** » Mon Nov 07, 2005 11:45 am

Sorry to hear really.. and I wholeheartedly agree with that suggestion. I try that anyhow every so often, because you never know; this might be your last day to tell them.

JaeEleutheria · Post by **JaeEleutheria** » Mon Nov 07, 2005 1:29 pm

That is kind of sad, and a good suggestion.

One time in an old online RP that Falson and I were in, one of the characters suddenly disappeared and we heard nothing for a while. I think it was months later that we learned that he died of a heart attack.

It was kind of sad really. Didn't really know him outside of the RP too much, but his presence was really missed.

Muletang · Post by **Muletang** » Mon Nov 07, 2005 1:55 pm

gotta make the most of it now, never know when its gonna hit, so I'd hate to have spent my life just worrying and working - what a real waste of a groovy opportunity

Redder · Post by **Redder** » Mon Nov 07, 2005 9:22 pm

When us N'asti get our act together, we will all come and show you lot some Love

Cause you know we all love ya!

Clerified · Post by **Clerified** » Mon Nov 07, 2005 10:53 pm

Over the years, Dasaria has been a comforting pillar in the somewhat numbing chaos of my so-many years of existance. I think the community here, and all those who have ever felt connected to it, is really significant for each of us. It's a special place that I am thankful for, and you're all apart of that. So here's saying more than just "I thank you!" I haven't had to do anything to deserve the feeling of belonging, except to simply be here. And for that, my love goes out to each and every single one of you pixelated personas.

Depheant · Post by **Depheant** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 4:17 am

I know what you're trying to say there... but...

If someone kills themselves, I personally think it shows weakness of character and not a lot of will-power.

De mortuis, nil nisi bonum - however, killing yourself for not being liked by a girl?

I mean, yeah, a lot of shœt happens but that's just weak. Someone with a mentality like that, I would think would be prone to say becoming a junkie, or any other vice like that.

Don't people have dreams anymore? I don't know, might be because I'm very competitive, but I want to end up doing "great" things.

I've had a lot of stuff happening to me as well since I was a wee kid, but suicide will never be an option, even to just kick life in the balls, so to speak.

It's mornin', I'm off to muuuuunch.

Mireille · Post by **Mireille** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 8:20 am

Someone I know who lives in Australia threaten suicide not long ago. She's diabetic and is unable to move around/stand on her feet for long periods of time and her husband just doesn't care at all.

When she told me what she was going to do and logged off when we was chatting over irc, I felt completely helpless and I hated that. Luckily she had second thoughts on doing it in the end.

Crimson Knightmare · Post by **Crimson Knightmare** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 8:44 am

Yes sigh a feeling of helplessness happen alot. A friend here on this server attempted suicide and I felt helpless everytime he talked about it, please dont ask for names but it makes things difficult. His reasoning were the same Logan Wallace had said.. Because a girl didnt like him. Because of love people do foolish things... but perhaps it was different. He had bi tendency's and did some things sometimes and the only thing he could do to be true to what he wanted was falling in love with this girl.. she said no several times and it left him with the horrible feelings. The number one reason for suicide is because of homosexuality. No one is accepting and perhaps that is why your daughters friend did, because he didnt want to accept who he was and tried strongly to win the love of some girl...

It is important we are there for people and the littlest words can make a difference..

Please.. if you have any friends, please talk to them and help them through this. They are your friends

Earavien Erinen · Post by **Earavien Erinen** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 9:16 am

A friend of mine at work who went through the same abusive crap that we all did (long story), but was less mentally stable than the rest of us finally had enough and took 47 Klonopin and a quart of vodka. Luckily, she called her husband who called the paramedics, and after much stomach-pumping and charcoal, she pulled through. The rest of us managed to scrape by, me by finding a new job, others in their own different ways.

Depression and suicide are not evidence of weak will. Depression is a disease, and you can't judge how a person reacts to stress by your own reactions, even if you go through the same things. For some people, stress at work can put them over the edge, for others, stress at home is the worst, etc. Everyone is different.

The trick is to recognize when you are depressed and to get help. This sounds like a "duh" but when you are depressed, you can't think clearly, and it feels like there are no solutions.

Personally, I think suicide can be a valid option sometimes. I recently had a scare where the doctors thought I might have ALS. I asked my husband to help me be strong and do the courageous thing before I grew incapable of it, and he agreed. Luckily, it turned out to be a false alarm, and we've moved on. I respect Hunter S. Thompson immensely for wanting to end things before his life became a burden to himself and his family. But for a person who is young and has their whole life ahead of them, this is truly sad.

So for those who are depressed, DO NOT suffer in silence. There are no easy solutions, and it's hard work to climb out of that hole, but it's better to at least try to fight the good fight instead of living in a dark room for the rest of your life.

*sermon off*

Crimson Knightmare · Post by **Crimson Knightmare** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 9:33 am

Depression and suicide are not evidence of weak will. Depression is a disease, and you can't judge how a person reacts to stress by your own reactions, even if you go through the same things. For some people, stress at work can put them over the edge, for others, stress at home is the worst, etc. Everyone is different.

You are very correct in what you have said. Depression is a disease and I will admite that I have it.. I have to take medications to keep me normal or bad things could happen.. Luckily a few years later.. I am no longer taking them and I try to be a stronger person. And I still remember all the times I went in to see my doctor and she asked... "Have you ever had thoughts of hurting yourself?" and I was able to answer no.

If someone kills themselves, I personally think it shows weakness of character and not a lot of will-power.

Suicide I beleive have several different views to it..

Theres suicide for attention or the threatening to do so. Theres suicide from depression (Yea yea everyone gets depressed but theres a difference from the disease or the "part of life" one) Then there is suicide in the meds you can take! (Yes some anti depressants make you think about sucide) Theres suicide to stop suffering (Huge pain or a burden to family)

Though the thought of someone doing it can be thought as a weakness and lack of will it can be argued this way but its a double bladed sword inless you have witnessed it yourself. Is it a weakness? Is it lack of will? I hope no one here ever has to find that out or try it. And I hope any who reads this are mature on thematter and if you are having problems.. Please please get some help..

Kell · Post by **Kell** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 11:42 am

Everybody and their mom seems to be taking anti depressives. My question is just why. Because there's so much more shite going on these days then in the past? Because kids have no dreams and too much time for selfreflection? Bad/horrible childhoods? Weak personalities? No backbone?

I dunno. I just find it very disturbing that 16 year olds have to swallow valium or prozac for years, because they cannot deal with life. It shows me that there's something very wrong with society.

Personally, I think it's because kids nowadays just have WAY too much time to think about what they want and how they would like to be, instead of just doing what they can and what they can be. You have to live with what you are and what you can do. And things that happen are just like that; they happen. And if something happens, you deal with it. And if you can't, you ask for help. And if there's no help, then you ask around just as long until you did find some help. Because you're never alone.

I think that if people would be able to understand that at young age, a much lower amount of the people I know for swallowing happypills would have an easier time.

Also, what does swallowing these pills exactly solve? They -numb- your feelings and thoughts. They make you happy.

Why do you need pills to be happy? Aren't you doing something incredibly wrong if you need to sedate yourself to be happy?

Why don't you guys legalise weed... It has the exact same effect. Sedates the pain and puts a smile on your face.

And it probably kills the same amount of braincells as well.

Logan Wallace · Post by **Logan Wallace** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 11:54 am

He wrote:I know what you're trying to say there... but...

If someone kills themselves, I personally think it shows weakness of character and not a lot of will-power. ...
I mean, yeah, a lot of shœt happens but that's just weak. Someone with a mentality like that, I would think would be prone to say becoming a junkie, or any other vice like that.

*sigh*

I hear what you are saying and for some part, I'm actually right there with you. But at the same time, you can't take how you feel and how you handle things and expect or put down people that do not. I grew up with (like many others, I'm sure) an "evil step-father" who did the things he shouldn't be doing to me and I think I grew up to a fine, level-headed stable-thinking adult, despite these scars. Some people base and blame a bad life forever on the same circumstances. I would never call them weak, but I don't think you should disregard the power of your mind. I am fortunate enough that I was able to handle it differently.

I'm not sure where I was going with this, Deph, but I just felt your post needed a response.