Reminder to American Dasarians!

Peregrinus · Post by **Peregrinus** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 7:34 am

Today is election day, I know its an off year, but if you have things to vote on, make sure to do so. If you don't vote, you don't have any right to complain about how the country, your state and your local communities are going.

Its your right as an American, so exercise that right, Vote today!

Mireille · Post by **Mireille** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 8:07 am

Doesn't matter if you vote or not, everyone is still doomed thanks to the politicians

DM Chicken Little · Post by **DM Chicken Little** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 10:05 am

Mireille wrote:Doesn't matter if you vote or not, everyone is still doomed thanks to the politicians

Thats the right attitude!

Got up early and voted. Spent last night reading up on the issues, canidates, and trying to figure out if things are really that bad compared to previous years.

Now the rest of you...go vote.

Crimson Knightmare · Post by **Crimson Knightmare** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 10:10 am

To bad I wasnt 18

Logan Wallace · Post by **Logan Wallace** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 10:54 am

Well, my personal opinion:

You shouldn't complain if you don't do your part in the effort to better our country.

VOTE!!

[/personal opinion]

I come to work quite early but make no mistake, I will be sporting my "I Voted" sticker soon enough and at the end of the day, I'll add it to my wall where all my previous voting stickers are.

This is not a "Rah Rah" for the U.S., but I am proud of my country and hope everyone who lives Wherever is as proud of theirs.

Mireille · Post by **Mireille** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 12:07 pm

I didn't vote, because I'm British

Seriously though, I've tested it over here on the last few General Elections and it made no difference (apart to the party's ego) if you vote or not, nothing changes.

Vahene · Post by **Vahene** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 1:20 pm

We had 5 constitutional ammendments to vote on here in Ohio, so .. yeah, I definitely voted.

-K

Muletang · Post by **Muletang** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 5:02 pm

I hate it when I get told "if you don't vote you don't have a right to complain" that just bites my arse. Far greater than our hard won right to vote is our born privilige to complain against the things are not working as we see fit - the joys of a free society.
If I feel no party is dealing with issues in the way that I want them done, and that the remainder are as bad as each other, I'm not going to advocate said group just because someone thinks I should vote - there isn't a "none of you useless fekers" box for me to tick.
I'm aware of the issues and chose not to.
"well if you don't like the major parties vote green", well no thanks. I'm all for a greener planet, I recycle, back kyoto and really hope we get our collective act together to sort things out, but I don't think they'll do anybody any favours in running the country - no vote there either.
Going to the extreme of the example: you got a choice between hitler or stalin as your nominees, who you gonna pick? come on, you have to back one of them you've got the vote, don't want to hear you whinging about a tyrant in power if you didn't vote against it. blah.

((this ain't a jab at you P, obviously this is just my view on things, I just hate that line "you got no right to complain"))

DM Chicken Little · Post by **DM Chicken Little** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 5:21 pm

Muletang wrote:If I feel no party is dealing with issues in the way that I want them done, and that the remainder are as bad as each other, I'm not going to advocate said group just because someone thinks I should vote - there isn't a "none of you useless fekers" box for me to tick.

Actually, in the American system, there is. Votes of no confidence and voting recall are still in American politics, and have to be generated from private citizens. These can be placed on state or special elections.

However, i dont agree if you dont vote, you dont complain mentality. It is now vote and if you dont win you get to complain and say i told you so.

I prefer the idea, "people get the leaders they deserve."

Post by **Jehannum** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 6:44 pm

Off topic a few degrees, but I watched this interview on PBS the other day and I thought it was amusing.

KURT VONNEGUT: Well, because he shouldn't be president. Is-- we ought to have a stronger person. And he's obviously an actor in a made for TV movie. And other people are, in fact, telling him what to say.

Of course, we have only a one party government. It's the winners. And then everybody else is the losers. And, the winners divided into two parties. The Republicans and the Democrats.

DAVID BRANCACCIO: Well, you write in the book you say that the last election, the two leading candidates were two C students from Yale, as you put it.

KURT VONNEGUT: Two members of Skull and Bones at Yale, for God's sake. If I mean, that's what a charade the combat between the Republicans and the Democrats is. It's rich kids. Winners on both sides. So the winners can't lose. And, of course, the losers have no representation in Congress or whatever.

But look, yeah. We had to choose between two members of Skull and Bones? What about if we had to choose between two members of Sigma Chi at Purdue? Wouldn't somebody have said what a minute. What the hell happened here?

DAVID BRANCACCIO: But you're saying you don't see senior political figures really, anybody representing the interests of people who are struggling?

KURT VONNEGUT: No, are not representing the American people. And, so there are people who made a hell of a lot of money one way or another. Making it during the war, incidentally. As you know, maybe the war is a bad idea. But some people are making a ton of money off of it. And they want to hang on to whatever they've got. And so they bank roll political campaigns for both Republicans and Democrats. Look, we're awful animals. We can start with that. You know, it's a whole human experiment, if that's what we are.

DAVID BRANCACCIO: That heart-- at heart, we're awful?

KURT VONNEGUT: Look, we after two World Wars and the holocaust and the nuclear bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and after the Roman games and after the Spanish Inquisition and after burning witches, the public-- shouldn't we call it off? I mean, we are a disease and should be ashamed of ourselves.

And so, yeah, I think we ought to stop reproducing. But since we're not going to do that, I think the planet's immune system is trying to get rid of us.

Oye99 · Post by **Oye99** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 9:37 pm

Hehe, i'll go with a South Park quote and say "Every election will be making you decide between a dushbag, and a $#!% sandwich. It's up to you to determine the lesser of evils by voting, even though your vote will probably mean nothing in the end!"

Logan Wallace · Post by **Logan Wallace** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 9:44 pm

Muletang wrote:...If I feel no party is dealing with issues in the way that I want them done, and that the remainder are as bad as each other, I'm not going to advocate said group just because someone thinks I should vote - there isn't a "none of you useless fekers" box for me to tick.
I'm aware of the issues and chose not to....

Point taken.
I'll leave it at that.

Muletang · Post by **Muletang** » Wed Nov 09, 2005 12:54 am

I like Kurt Vonnegut, as it happens I'm reading Timequake at the moment. No real point to this comment, just saying...

Ohio41 · Post by **Ohio41** » Wed Nov 09, 2005 2:41 am

Jeh....

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Oh, the sick sick truth in it all.

Evelond Formos · Post by **Evelond Formos** » Wed Nov 09, 2005 4:11 pm

1. Isn't there something against political agruments in the CoC?

OMG, Algia is rubbing off on me . . .

2. I didn't vote for obvious reasons to you who were here before me.

3. I don't think in the US Voting matters. I mean, isn't there like 500 or something people who are the real people who decide the winners? Our votes don't really count. So whatever South Park is, it is right. ((hey, isn't South Park some really REALLY mature show? A lot of kids talk about it, and apparently some "Ken" dies in every episode. *shrug*))